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Martinwguy at 12:05, 11 June 2021

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			It is not clear whether the Producer who made the infamous "lascivious" comment was [[Kilham Roberts]] or Smee. The subtitle used on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] could be read as ironic, but it seems more likely that it was the credited Producer and ex-teacher Kilham Roberts, who was from an older generation, not the actor Michael 'Mike' Smee.
	It is not ~~totally~~ clear whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee. The subtitle used on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] could be read as ironic, but it seems more likely that the credited Producer and ex-teacher Kilham Roberts, who was from an older generation, not the actor Michael 'Mike' Smee~~, was the one~~.


	In a draft version of the script for the Reeling and Writhing play, scriptwriter Nicola McCartney has the following dialogue about the event:		In a draft version of the script for the Reeling and Writhing play, scriptwriter Nicola McCartney has the following dialogue about the event:

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	* [[DD113144]]: Manuscript side 1 dated 15/7/64 with lyrics		<gallery>
	* [[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H		Image:DD113144.jpg\|[[DD113144]]: Manuscript side 1 dated 15/7/64 with lyrics
	* [[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"		Image:DD113202.jpg\|[[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H
			Image:DD123034.jpg\|[[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"
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	=Tapes=		=Tapes=

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	* In the BBC Sound Archive on tape [[TRW 6152]]: "Science and Health"<ref name=TLL6152>The [[Tape Library List]]'s entry for [[TRW 6152]].</ref>		* In the BBC Sound Archive on tape [[TRW 6152]]: "Science and Health"<ref name=TLL6152>The [[Tape Library List]]'s entry for [[TRW 6152]].</ref>
	* [[TRW 6435]]: "[[Hot Line from London]]" is said to be a copy of [[TRW 6152]].<ref name=TLL6435>The [[Tape Library List]]'s entry for [[TRW 6435]].</ref>		* [[TRW 6435]]: "[[Hot Line from London]]" is said to be a copy of [[TRW 6152]].<ref name=TLL6435>The [[Tape Library List]]'s entry for [[TRW 6435]].</ref>
			* On [[Attic Tape]] [[DD204]] there is a version known as "Mike’s Choice”, "distorted and treated with reverb and extra sounds".<ref>Louis Niebur's notes for [[DD204]].</ref>

	{{Play\|Science and Health}}		{{Play\|Science and Health}}

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	* [[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H		* [[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H
	* [[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"		* [[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"

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			* [[DD172]]: A copy of the final version

	=[[Spectrogram]]=		=[[Spectrogram]]=

SteveNorgate: Completed several updates with info on the original prgramme, 21 LP 'Mike's Choice', Michael Smee and Elizabeth Kilham Roberts.

2019-07-02T15:31:24Z

Completed several updates with info on the original prgramme, 21 LP 'Mike's Choice', Michael Smee and Elizabeth Kilham Roberts.

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	It is not totally clear whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee. The subtitle used on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] could be read as ironic, but it seems more likely that the credited Producer and ex-teacher Kilham Roberts, who was from an older generation, not the actor Michael 'Mike' Smee, was the ~~prude~~.		It is not totally clear whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee. The subtitle used on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] could be read as ironic, but it seems more likely that the credited Producer and ex-teacher Kilham Roberts, who was from an older generation, not the actor Michael 'Mike' Smee, was the one.

SteveNorgate at 12:05, 2 July 2019

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	[[File:Science and Health.pdf\|thumb\|right\|''Science and Health'' score]]		[[File:Science and Health.pdf\|thumb\|right\|''Science and Health'' score]]

	In 1964, Delia created a 57-second signature tune for a BBC radio series [[Science and Health]],<ref name=TLL6152/>		In 1964, Delia created a 57-second signature tune for a BBC radio series 'For Schools - Health and Science', which she named [[Science and Health]],<ref name=TLL6152/>
	"a succession of tumbling chords, descending with an elegance beyond almost anyone else."<ref>Robin Carmody in the article [[Wee have also sound-houses (article)\|Wee also have sound-houses]].</ref>		"a succession of tumbling chords, descending with an elegance beyond almost anyone else."<ref>Robin Carmody in the article [[Wee have also sound-houses (article)\|Wee also have sound-houses]].</ref>

	~~<BLOCKQUOTE>~~
	[In making ''[[Ziwzih Ziwzih OO-OO-OO]]''] ''I used just this one bar repeated which had [previously] been rejected from a science and health program for being too lascivious for the schoolchildren. It was like a science program... it was supposed to be about sex, but under another name. And then the producer had the nerve to turn down my music, saying it was too lascivious. It was just twangy things with electronic pick-ups, and I just used a single note and then did little glissandos on it and pitched it and treated it.''<ref>Delia in the [[Surface interview]].</ref>
	~~</BLOCKQUOTE>~~

	The programme was actually called <nowiki>'For Schools - Health and Science'</nowiki>, not <nowiki>'Science and Health'</nowiki>. The Radio Times listing initially only credits the programme as "compiled by [[Michael Smee]]."<ref>BBC Genome: FOR SCHOOLS HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 11 March 1965 9.35 [https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0b6cbbb9c6bb422ab0bf8ce745a85dcc]</ref>		The programme was actually called <nowiki>'For Schools - Health and Science'</nowiki>, not <nowiki>'Science and Health'</nowiki>. The Radio Times listing initially only credits the programme as "compiled by [[Michael Smee]]."<ref>BBC Genome: FOR SCHOOLS HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 11 March 1965 9.35 [https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0b6cbbb9c6bb422ab0bf8ce745a85dcc]</ref>
	Later in the series, the Radio Times provided a fuller credit.		Later in the series, the Radio Times provided a fuller credit.
	Reproduction		"Reproduction
	4: Bringing up children by [[Michael Smee]]		4: Bringing up children by [[Michael Smee]]
	Series produced and edited by Elizabeth Kilham Roberts <ref>HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 31 March 1966 9.35 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/61bf87094117409587e663c4528b4388</ref>		Series produced and edited by Elizabeth Kilham Roberts"<ref>HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 31 March 1966 9.35 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/61bf87094117409587e663c4528b4388</ref>

	The Producer named in the tape library is Mrs E H Kilham Roberts. Elizabeth Kilham Roberts had a background as a chemistry graduate and science teacher and joined the BBC during WWII as an administrator.<ref>Women, Work, and the BBC: How Wartime Restrictions and Recruitment Woes Reshaped the Corporation, 1939-45 http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/31808/1/TERKANIAN_Kathryn_Ph.D._2018.pdf</ref>		The Producer named in the tape library is Mrs E H Kilham Roberts. Elizabeth Kilham Roberts had a background as a chemistry graduate and science teacher and joined the BBC during WWII as an administrator.<ref>Women, Work, and the BBC: How Wartime Restrictions and Recruitment Woes Reshaped the Corporation, 1939-45 http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/31808/1/TERKANIAN_Kathryn_Ph.D._2018.pdf</ref>

	It is not totally whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee.		Science and Health appeared on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] with the subtitle "Mike's Choice", where the sleeve notes state:
			<BLOCKQUOTE>
			A Signature tune for a Radio sex education programme rejected by the producer on the grounds that it was "too lascivious" - hence the subtitle
			</BLOCKQUOTE>

			Part of Science and Health was reused for [[Ziwzih Ziwzih OO-OO-OO]]

			<BLOCKQUOTE>
			''[In making ''[[Ziwzih Ziwzih OO-OO-OO]]''] ''I used just this one bar repeated which had [previously] been rejected from a science and health program for being too lascivious for the schoolchildren. It was like a science program... it was supposed to be about sex, but under another name. And then the producer had the nerve to turn down my music, saying it was too lascivious. It was just twangy things with electronic pick-ups, and I just used a single note and then did little glissandos on it and pitched it and treated it.''<ref>Delia in the [[Surface interview]].</ref>
			</BLOCKQUOTE>


			It is not totally clear whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee. The subtitle used on [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop 21]] could be read as ironic, but it seems more likely that the credited Producer and ex-teacher Kilham Roberts, who was from an older generation, not the actor Michael 'Mike' Smee, was the prude.

SteveNorgate at 11:38, 2 July 2019

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	The programme was actually called For Schools Health and Science, not Science and Health. The Radio Times listing initially only credits the programme as "compiled by [[Michael Smee]]"<ref>BBC Genome: FOR SCHOOLS HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 11 March 1965 9.35 [https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0b6cbbb9c6bb422ab0bf8ce745a85dcc]</ref>		The programme was actually called <nowiki>'For Schools - Health and Science'</nowiki>, not <nowiki>'Science and Health'</nowiki>. The Radio Times listing initially only credits the programme as "compiled by [[Michael Smee]]."<ref>BBC Genome: FOR SCHOOLS HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 11 March 1965 9.35 [https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0b6cbbb9c6bb422ab0bf8ce745a85dcc]</ref>
	Later in the series, the Radio Times provided a fuller credit.		Later in the series, the Radio Times provided a fuller credit.
	Reproduction		Reproduction
	4: Bringing up children by [[Michael Smee]]		4: Bringing up children by [[Michael Smee]]
	Series produced and edited by Elizabeth Kilham Roberts <ref>HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 31 March 1966 9.35 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/61bf87094117409587e663c4528b4388</ref>		Series produced and edited by Elizabeth Kilham Roberts <ref>HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 31 March 1966 9.35 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/61bf87094117409587e663c4528b4388</ref>
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	The Producer named in the tape library is Mrs E H Kilham Roberts. Elizabeth Kilham Roberts had a background as a chemistry graduate and science teacher and joined the BBC during WWII as an administrator.<ref>Women, Work, and the BBC: How Wartime Restrictions and Recruitment Woes Reshaped the Corporation, 1939-45 http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/31808/1/TERKANIAN_Kathryn_Ph.D._2018.pdf</ref>		The Producer named in the tape library is Mrs E H Kilham Roberts. Elizabeth Kilham Roberts had a background as a chemistry graduate and science teacher and joined the BBC during WWII as an administrator.<ref>Women, Work, and the BBC: How Wartime Restrictions and Recruitment Woes Reshaped the Corporation, 1939-45 http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/31808/1/TERKANIAN_Kathryn_Ph.D._2018.pdf</ref>

			It is not totally whether the Producer of the infamous "lascivious" comment was Kilham Roberts or Smee.

SteveNorgate: Correct programme title and credits from Radio Times and tape library.

2019-07-02T09:56:34Z

Correct programme title and credits from Radio Times and tape library.

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	[In making ''[[Ziwzih Ziwzih OO-OO-OO]]''] ''I used just this one bar repeated which had [previously] been rejected from a science and health program for being too lascivious for the schoolchildren. It was like a science program... it was supposed to be about sex, but under another name. And then the producer had the nerve to turn down my music, saying it was too lascivious. It was just twangy things with electronic pick-ups, and I just used a single note and then did little glissandos on it and pitched it and treated it.''<ref>Delia in the [[Surface interview]].</ref>		[In making ''[[Ziwzih Ziwzih OO-OO-OO]]''] ''I used just this one bar repeated which had [previously] been rejected from a science and health program for being too lascivious for the schoolchildren. It was like a science program... it was supposed to be about sex, but under another name. And then the producer had the nerve to turn down my music, saying it was too lascivious. It was just twangy things with electronic pick-ups, and I just used a single note and then did little glissandos on it and pitched it and treated it.''<ref>Delia in the [[Surface interview]].</ref>
	</BLOCKQUOTE>		</BLOCKQUOTE>

			The programme was actually called For Schools Health and Science, not Science and Health. The Radio Times listing initially only credits the programme as "compiled by [[Michael Smee]]"<ref>BBC Genome: FOR SCHOOLS HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 11 March 1965 9.35 [https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0b6cbbb9c6bb422ab0bf8ce745a85dcc]</ref>
			Later in the series, the Radio Times provided a fuller credit.
			Reproduction
			4: Bringing up children by [[Michael Smee]]
			Series produced and edited by Elizabeth Kilham Roberts <ref>HEALTH AND SCIENCE BBC Home Service Basic, 31 March 1966 9.35 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/61bf87094117409587e663c4528b4388</ref>

			The Producer named in the tape library is Mrs E H Kilham Roberts. Elizabeth Kilham Roberts had a background as a chemistry graduate and science teacher and joined the BBC during WWII as an administrator.<ref>Women, Work, and the BBC: How Wartime Restrictions and Recruitment Woes Reshaped the Corporation, 1939-45 http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/31808/1/TERKANIAN_Kathryn_Ph.D._2018.pdf</ref>



	In a draft version of the script for the Reeling and Writhing play, scriptwriter Nicola McCartney has the following dialogue about the event:		In a draft version of the script for the Reeling and Writhing play, scriptwriter Nicola McCartney has the following dialogue about the event:
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	DESMOND BRISCOE		DESMOND BRISCOE
	Is too lascivious for eleven year-olds.		Is too lascivious for eleven-year-olds.

	DELIA DERBYSHIRE		DELIA DERBYSHIRE

Martinwguy at 15:56, 29 January 2019

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	[[File:Science and Health.pdf\|thumb\|right\|''Science and Health'' score]]		[[File:Science and Health.pdf\|thumb\|right\|''Science and Health'' score]]

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	* [[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H		* [[DD113202]]: Side 2 of [[DD113144]], seems not to be for S&H
	* [[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"		* [[DD123034]]: "S. & H. + a better bass line"

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